U/B/G Standard Mill Deck

gthicjohn · 11-02-2009, 09:51 AM

This is a standard deck I made in order to mill/control with landfall. Its three colors because whats better then being able to drop 3 lands in one turn, if you drop your regular land and use Harrow. Im going to enter in a 2HG Standard tournament with my friend who is running an aggro deck. This deck has worked great for me so far, but I want opinions from everyone to make it a problem for the opposing team.

U/B/G Mill
creatures 4 Hedron Crab 2 Nemesis of Reason 1 Living Tsunami 2 Roil Elemental Spells 2 Ponder 2 Into the Roil 2 Mind Funeral 1 Essence Scatter 1 Mind Spring 1 Rampant Growth 2 Countersquall 1 Sadistic Sacrament 2 Agony Warp 1 Archive Trap 3 Harrow 2 Spell Pierce 2 Rite of Replication 3 Tome Scour Land 4 Forest 5 Islands 3 Swamps 2 Jwar Isle Refuge 1 Crumbling Necropolis 1 Arcane Sanctum

I only have 1 of some cards in the deck because I have only one, but I can search for more at the local card shops.

reapandplant · 11-02-2009, 11:35 AM

maybe try and get 4 archive traps and trapmaker's snare to find them easier?
memory erosion is also a useful card, more if your friend wasn't running a aggro deck.
personally, i'd go with more tsunami's as roil elementals, especially since the elementals use fades to every 2 damage imaginable and the tsunami's are strong and empower your crabs.
also, oracle of mul daya if you're landfalling anyways.
try to max out (eg 4-of ) the mill spells, as you want to have milling be a viable way to win.

gthicjohn · 11-02-2009, 05:03 PM

That is a very good point! I don't know if ill be able to get my hands on 3 Archive trap any time soon, but I am gonna go on a manhunt for more Mind funerals. Ill probably up the countersqual to 4 and get rid of the spell pierce. Should I add more basic lands? If so What should I take out?

Deck
// Creatures 1 Jace Beleren 1 Roil Elemental 3 Living Tsunami 4 Hedron Crab // Spells 1 Archive Trap 2 Agony Warp 1 Haunting Echoes 3 Twincast 2 Traumatize 3 Mind Funeral 2 Rite of replication 2 Countersquall 3 Harrow 2 Ponder 3 Rampant Growth // Land 2 Jwar Isle Refuge 1 Arcane sanctum 1 Crumbling Necropolis 5 Island 4 Swamp 4 Forest

I plan on adding 2 Jace Beleren 1Traumatize 1 Twincast and 1 Mind Funeral

Wombatish · 11-07-2009, 01:45 AM

17 lands is insane, especially for a tricolor deck. I had a mono green elf deck that ran 16 and it was barely enough. Up the land count. By atleast 5.

gthicjohn · 11-07-2009, 12:49 PM

Im thinking about uping it, but the thing is I have 6 land fetch cards and I still come out ahead of my opponents in land drop.

Scouter3000 · 11-07-2009, 03:08 PM

Fetch....Lands.... They are golden with hedron crab and they fix your mana (which in a trips deck is always a good thing)

KlassyReborn · 11-08-2009, 05:14 PM

why pay life for extra lands when you got yourself a nice Terramorphic Expanse? 4 of them.

gthicjohn · 11-08-2009, 07:44 PM

I like the idea of terramorphic expanse.

**Neuromancer** · 11-09-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KlassyReborn

why pay life for extra lands when you got yourself a nice Terramorphic Expanse? 4 of them.

Because that small life loss is a bargain price to pay versus slowing down your game to a crawl?

KlassyReborn · 11-09-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

Because that small life loss is a bargain price to pay versus slowing down your game to a crawl?

...OR you can slow your game down a smidge and live longer ;P

JerryDudko · 11-10-2009, 03:31 PM

Hi, new to this forum and to magic in general (though I have been researching like a mo-fo)
and I was wondering if its even worth keeping those forests in there if all you are going to use them on are rampant growth and harrow? I know they would be some advantage to getting your mana cards out quicker but aren't there more appropriate ways to do that?

**Neuromancer** · 11-11-2009, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryDudko

Hi, new to this forum and to magic in general (though I have been researching like a mo-fo)
and I was wondering if its even worth keeping those forests in there if all you are going to use them on are rampant growth and harrow? I know they would be some advantage to getting your mana cards out quicker but aren't there more appropriate ways to do that?

In Standard there aren't really much other options to fix your mana beyond green, so he's pretty much forced to run it. Also note that it helps trigger Landfall more often, which is critical for this deck.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KlassyReborn

...OR you can slow your game down a smidge and live longer ;P

A whole fracking turn is not "a smidge". Seriously, 1 life is not that big of a deal. This isn't casual play where you don't care much about slowing down since the opposing deck is probably just as slow and crappy as your own, in competitive Magic speed is far more important than a few life points (Ever wondered why people go fetchland---ravdual on their first turn in Extended, despite losing 3 life right off the bat?)

reapandplant · 11-11-2009, 10:15 AM

you arent going to use them only to play harrow+rampant growth, those enable your crabs to do ridiculous things and also to power out way more millspells per turn. the oracle as i suggested does even better as harrow in a sence, since it allows you to about always have a spell draw and also a land extra per turn, which also improve your crabs. How about omni-tool grim discovery as a way to either get back a crab AND a fetchland or a fetch and a tsunami if you have a crab open? i also agree very much with neuromancer, one of the most important lessons for new players is learning that tempo/card loss is usually worse as loss of life.

KlassyReborn · 11-11-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuromancer

A whole fracking turn is not "a smidge". Seriously, 1 life is not that big of a deal. This isn't casual play where you don't care much about slowing down since the opposing deck is probably just as slow and crappy as your own, in competitive Magic speed is far more important than a few life points (Ever wondered why people go fetchland---ravdual on their first turn in Extended, despite losing 3 life right off the bat?)

I justify my use of them in competitive magic by going with weenie decks, and any other colors I just use a deck of consistantly low CMCs. but I know you're right, Expanse is just the poor man's fetch. ha ha

11-02-2009, 11:35 AM	#2
reapandplant Vortex Planeswalker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: if only i knew... Posts: 1,751	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck maybe try and get 4 archive traps and trapmaker's snare to find them easier? memory erosion is also a useful card, more if your friend wasn't running a aggro deck. personally, i'd go with more tsunami's as roil elementals, especially since the elementals use fades to every 2 damage imaginable and the tsunami's are strong and empower your crabs. also, oracle of mul daya if you're landfalling anyways. try to max out (eg 4-of ) the mill spells, as you want to have milling be a viable way to win. __________________ buster of the RAF pacifism myth Holder of waiting the longest for his banner record, 651 days, or one year, nine months and eleven days. Hey look, yawg made me a banner finally join the [order] for more stuff like that..

11-07-2009, 01:45 AM	#4
Wombatish Elite Mage Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck 17 lands is insane, especially for a tricolor deck. I had a mono green elf deck that ran 16 and it was barely enough. Up the land count. By atleast 5.

11-07-2009, 12:49 PM	#5
gthicjohn Patient Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 30	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck Im thinking about uping it, but the thing is I have 6 land fetch cards and I still come out ahead of my opponents in land drop.

11-07-2009, 03:08 PM	#6
Scouter3000 Wizard of the Elements Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Doofenschmirtz Evil Inc. Posts: 670	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck Fetch....Lands.... They are golden with hedron crab and they fix your mana (which in a trips deck is always a good thing) __________________ Proud Member of † The ßrotherhood † We will never die!

11-08-2009, 07:44 PM	#8
gthicjohn Patient Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 30	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck I like the idea of terramorphic expanse.

11-10-2009, 03:31 PM	#11
JerryDudko Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 1	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck Hi, new to this forum and to magic in general (though I have been researching like a mo-fo) and I was wondering if its even worth keeping those forests in there if all you are going to use them on are rampant growth and harrow? I know they would be some advantage to getting your mana cards out quicker but aren't there more appropriate ways to do that?

11-11-2009, 10:15 AM	#13
reapandplant Vortex Planeswalker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: if only i knew... Posts: 1,751	Re: U/B/G Standard Mill Deck you arent going to use them only to play harrow+rampant growth, those enable your crabs to do ridiculous things and also to power out way more millspells per turn. the oracle as i suggested does even better as harrow in a sence, since it allows you to about always have a spell draw and also a land extra per turn, which also improve your crabs. How about omni-tool grim discovery as a way to either get back a crab AND a fetchland or a fetch and a tsunami if you have a crab open? i also agree very much with neuromancer, one of the most important lessons for new players is learning that tempo/card loss is usually worse as loss of life. __________________ buster of the RAF pacifism myth Holder of waiting the longest for his banner record, 651 days, or one year, nine months and eleven days. Hey look, yawg made me a banner finally join the [order] for more stuff like that.. Last edited by reapandplant; 11-11-2009 at 10:24 AM.

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